What to Say to Non-Committal Church Attenders

Jonathan Leeman has sound advice. He helps you think about how well you know the person, why one should join a church, and then responding to 5 different reasons people give for not joining a church (I’m committed elsewhere, I’ve been burned in the past, I don’t trust the leadership, I don’t agree with the statement of faith, it’s not in the bible).

The article has much more. Read the whole thing.

Church membership, discipline, elders, baptism, preaching, and other stuff – D.A. Carson and Mark Dever answer questions (mp3)

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I generally try to read or listen to everything I can by D.A. Carson (except the real technical stuff) and I’m always wanting to think ecclesiologically with Mark Dever as a conversation partner (through audio files, books, and articles primarily).

D.A. Carson and Mark Dever answer questions (left click, or go to this page at The Gospel Coalition) covering the topics of church discipline, baptism, church membership, elders issues, preaching law and gospel, and other stuff. It’s really edifying and if you want to listen to a particular question, then after you download it you can find the particular question (listed below) by checking what time in the audio file the question is answered.

  1. (0:00) – How do you love unconditionally those who commit crimes against you?
  2. (1:03) – Is a Christian a saved sinner, a struggling saint, or both?
  3. (1:12) – Comment in some detail on putting a date to your conversion
  4. (2:07, 2:52) – Is there a place for a “biker’s church”?
  5. (2:20) – How do Christians respond to lawlessness in the culture?
  6. (3:30) – D.A. Carson’s motorbike story
  7. (4:42) – Is the idea of “limited atonement” a helpful way of speaking about the atonement?
  8. (8:23) – Should children be allowed to the Lord’s Table?
  9. (8:49) – The New Testament practice of church membership
  10. (10:00, 12:01) – Why is there more emphasis on membership than baptism if the NT seems to put the emphasis on the latter?
  11. (10:57) – How do you respond to someone who wants to get involved in the church but doesn’t want to become a member?
  12. (18:10) – 5 Things necessary for gaining consensus/agreement from people of different backgrounds; The issue of the age of baptism (about 22:00); also the infant-Baptist/believer-Baptist debate.
  13. (29:49) – Do you allow Christians to be a member of your church when they have a conviction for infant baptism?
  14. (30:49) – What’s the solution to the problem of the baptism debate?
  15. (31:16) – At what point do you discipline a member who is not attending? What if they try to resign first?
  16. (32:35) – Isn’t a church covenant pagan?
  17. (33:20) – How would you do a new members’ class when your church is small? How long is your new members’ class? Is it available online?
  18. (33:59) – Is it required that a member of a church should tithe?
  19. (35:29) – Who should be allowed to preach? Who should be allowed to teach?
  20. (38:25) – Ministry of women to the church.
  21. (39:45) – Are elders to teach? Is there a category of “ruling elders?”
  22. (41:35) – If you inherit an eldership that doesn’t conform to biblical standards? What does one do?
  23. (43:16) – Mark Dever’s response to house churches and Barna’s book Revolution.
  24. (44:27) – Sounding prophetic from the margins vs. from the center (i.e. McLaren, Barna, etc.).
  25. (46:36) – What’s your view on the Puritan’s preaching the Law first and then the Gospel?
  26. (53:55) – Is it a church if there are no elders? What is the bare minimum of what you can call a church?
  27. (56:29) – The parable of the weeds and church discipline and the relationship between the kingdom and the church.
  28. (59:24) – How do you treat the one under church discipline?
  29. (1:00:00) – How do we understand progressive sanctification with little sins and church discipline? What about church leaders with certain sins they constantly struggle with?
  30. (1:12:23) – How do you reconcile winning an idle person, excommunication, and having nothing to do with them?
  31. (1:13:11) – How should church discipline exercised by the congregation as a whole?
  32. (1:13:37) – How should we respond to couples living together attending church regularly? Applying for membership? Apply to get married in the church?
  33. (1:14:47) – What communication is had with a disciplined ex-member to discern when to take him back into the church?
  34. (1:15:42) – What do you do to help untangle a brother who is tangled in a particular sin?
  35. (1:16:00) – Could you tell us what 3 books have most influenced your theological and pastoral understanding?
  36. (1:17:50) – Where can you get D.A. Carson’s poems?

This is a cross-post from PJ Tibayan’s blog, God is Better than All.

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Why join a local church? 6 Reasons to be a faithful member of a church

Paul Tautges gives 6 reasons why you should join one if you are a Christian.

  1. You follow the pattern set forth in the New Testament.
  2. You have a greater opportunity to use your spiritual gifts.
  3. You become a more committed part of a spiritual family.
  4. You ensure a balanced Christian life.
  5. You avail yourself of the wisdom of the multitude of counselors.
  6. You experience the joy of serving others.

Read the whole thing. Also see the free pdf study guide at the end with an extended thought on the topic of membership.

HT: 9marks

You may want to see the way I present 6 reasons that obligate Christians to formally commit to a local church as their privilege.

9Marks E-Journals for pastors and church leaders

It bugged me that on the 9marks website the e-journals were not posted in an accessible manner so I did it in this blog post. Since I posted this on my personal blog they made the improvement for which I’m thankful.

Miscellaneous Articles on small groups, pastoring women, separating insiders and outsiders, and a pastors’ forum on church discipline.

Sep 2006 – The Emerging Church

Oct 2006 – The Church’s Mission

Nov/Dec 2006 – Biblical Theology; Conversion

Jan 07 – Hospitality and Friendship

Feb 07 – Selecting and Installing Elders

Mar/Apr 2007 – Elder Training and Living in the Church with Elders

May/Jun 2007 – Preaching

Jul/Aug – The Gospel

Sep/Oct 2007 – Race and Ethnicity

Nov/Dec 2007 – Church and Culture

Jan/Feb 2008 – Corporate Prayer

Mar/Apr 2008 – Cooperation

May/Jun 2008 – Living as a Church

Jul/Aug 2008 – Marriage and Pastors’ Wives

Sep/Oct 2008 – Family and Parenting

Nov/Dec 2008 – Counseling in the Church

Jan/Feb 2009 – Raising Up the Next Generation of Pastors

Mar/Apr 2009 – Young Pastors

May/Jun 2009 -Multi-site Churches

Jul/Aug 2009 – Missions

Sep/Oct 2009 – Church Discipline Part 1

Nov/Dec 2009 – Church Discipline Part 2

Jan/Feb 2010 – A New Evangelical Liberalism

May/Jun 2010 – Deacons

Jul/Aug 2010 – Pastoring Women

Sep/Oct 2010 – Hell: Remembering the Awful Reality

Nov/Dec 2010 – Book Reviews on the Mission of the Church

Jan/Feb 2011 – Pastoral Moves – Going, Coming, Staying

Mar/Apr 2011 – Church and Parachurch: Friends or foes?

May/Jun 2011 – Church Membership: Holding the Body Together

Jul/Aug 2011 – The Pastor and his Staff part 1